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a little sneak peek inside Areofarms building the brick city building a former steel mill has 70,000 sq ft floor area but plant beds are stacked 12 high vertically effectively growing up to 75 times the crops per acre as compared to normal farming

this is an aeroponic system they use it spray nutrient up underneath the plants roots under high pressure nozzle to form a mist with droplets in the 20 to 50 micro, the droplets are fine enough they form a fog that cling to the plants roots fastest turn around found in most system is done as baby greens at that point about 30 plant rotations a years can be planted the Newark NJ plant grows approximately 2 million pounds of leafy greens a year

anyone for a couple salads

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I'm so conflicted over this.
On the one hand it is an amazing use of space and will provide food for markets that are under serviced.

The other side is that in a smart city your food will be grown inside in factories like this and not on farms the traditional way.

Hydroponics in Europe and America allow for fresh produce all year round and are a valuable method of locally growing food.
 
I mean, I'm all for it. This could mean that there'll be less use of pesticides as it's in a more controlled environment. And it's also very space efficient, which allows you to grow much more. And homegrowers can still go to markets, supermarkets that sell fresh produce (from grown in dirt - we already have those now here) and so on. But to top it off, it might become more affordable to people. I know people who struggle putting a meal on the table and this (in the long run) might help keep prices at a reasonable cost.

I do hear that produce can taste different in hydrophonics compared to grown in the ground, but one could always grow something at home. Even the smallest appartments are usually able to grow something :D
 
I mean, I'm all for it. This could mean that there will be less use of pesticides as it's in a more controlled environment. And it's also very space efficient, which allows you to grow much more. And homegrowers can still go to markets, supermarkets that sell fresh produce (from grown in dirt - we already have those now here) and so on. But to top it off, it might become more affordable to people. I know people who struggle putting a meal on the table and this (in the long run) might help keep prices at a reasonable cost.

I do hear that produce can taste different in hydroponics compared to grown in the ground, but one could always grow something at home. Even the smallest appartments are usually able to grow something :D
Today's hydroponics compared to those seen decades ago when it started as a fad of " yes look it's winter and we can grow you tomatoes " cardboard - flavorless - tough tomatoes.... advances have changed the lights we use, even the selection of fertilizers and types have changed.
If you supply the proper nutrient and trace minerals the flavors will remain relatively the same yes some local areas because of higher amounts of one mineral versus another can and will affect flavors today's available blends duplicate the make up of what the plants need , yes some plants do need slightly different mix but this is where the knowledge of specific plants themselves helps dictate the blends of nutrients. One major key factor the does and can affect flavors, nutrient, vitamin content, and ant-oxidants is the light itself. as groweri can vary my lights slightly to boost a characteristic of the plant that will affect flavors to minor degree as example many plants when they get an extra exposure to 380 nano-meter ( uv spectrum) will have an increase in anti oxidants, Tomatoes grown in the higher blue spectrum light 460nm to 500nm show an increase of vitamin C.

Cathy yes sad to say this is the route many areas will have to take to grow enough in the very near future we as a race have over run and developed most of the most viable land that can grow on and within 30 years or less the population growth will force drastic changes in how and where we grow. The land that is available in many areas is so contaminated even the plants grown can become toxic a main point it like around the man made mountains of waste tailing from ww2 and the boom after to get tin nickle copper and other ores from ground, the run off from these tailing affect causing vast areas of land unsuitable for use even to build on.

One advantage of hydroponics is less impact on water need one study i saw some times ago was suggesting as much as 40% of the water used to irrigate crops ends up as run off other studies say its even higher. Less run off mean less pollutants from over fertilization and pesticides so that's another plus for hydroponics. this also reduces the amount of fertilizer needed in one other way because its already in soluble state plants can access to use without waste of energy. additionally hydroponics can reduce the contamination of soil and plants from various bacteria such as e-coli, norovirus , Salmonella , Listeria , and Cyclospora from contaminated irrigation water source with traces of improperly composted manure, irrigation water containing untreated sewage or manure,wash water and medical contaminates, think of the number of recalls over recent years for some of these bacteria in food.

Disadvantage reliant on more artificial light sources such as high end LED's which require mining of materials to make, food safe materials to use to hold nutrient and plant as the liquid is cycled , increases electrical demand which needs to be considered as a factor when compared region by region how much is grown local and how much is shipped in and how far to calculate carbon foot print and impact versus how much grown local and electrical use and local transport for foot print. I can tell you personally for what i grow and the amount of area i use in house i can grow at a lower cost even adjusting for my cost to set up system , electrical cost and my time then i can buy in stores here, added disadvantage is depending on how much you want to grow and what you want to grow some plants can take up a larger area and ability to vary light to duplicate season to trigger bloom and ripening of fruits on plant and some types of plants take extensive amount of time to grow.

We do need to utilize the growing space more intensive in natural growing and even in hydroponics then we currently do, some areas you already see balcony areas conbnverted to soil gardens and to hydroponics and sides of building converted to living walls using both growing methods, we need to reduce the hard heat absorbent surfaces to those with more productive heat reducing living walls and crops and growing areas in open section of cities have been proven to reduce heat and carbon foot print, hydroponics just tend to have faster turn around time on harvest-able crops then do soil grown plants because water and usable nutrients are there for fast easy use so a good reason why you will more and more " living walls " built with hydroponics
 
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I'm so conflicted over this.
On the one hand it is an amazing use of space and will provide food for markets that are under serviced.

The other side is that in a smart city your food will be grown inside in factories like this and not on farms the traditional way.

Hydroponics in Europe and America allow for fresh produce all year round and are a valuable method of locally growing food.
But sadly the climate changes plus the useable arable land available to grow in is decreasing so is making this a larger and larger source of needed greens and herbs. even inner city areas can be used to grow hydroponics on roof tops with a faster turn over of crops and via food and herbs and areofarms was all select hydroponics 2022 they produced over 5 million pounds of organically certified herbs, micro and baby greens and mature greens
 
But sadly the climate changes plus the useable arable land available to grow in is decreasing so is making this a larger and larger source of needed greens and herbs. even inner city areas can be used to grow hydroponics on roof tops with a faster turn over of crops and via food and herbs and areofarms was all select hydroponics 2022 they produced over 5 million pounds of organically certified herbs, micro and baby greens and mature greens
Gotta love the irony though, climate change is causing humanity to require growing food this way to sustain us, but until all electricity can be produced from non-emission sources, it's a power drain that's adding to the problem along with the mining for materials and the production of the fertilizers, etc; which is making climate change worse... nothing is perfect, but good to see people finding ways around the potential problem of future food shortages, which will be a huge problem if no one does anything about it.
It does seem a bit too dystopian sci-fi for my comfort, though I think it's a good thing. Cognitive dissonance setting in in 3, 2, 1... 🤯
 
Gotta love the irony though, climate change is causing humanity to require growing food this way to sustain us, but until all electricity can be produced from non-emission sources, it's a power drain that's adding to the problem along with the mining for materials and the production of the fertilizers, etc; which is making climate change worse... nothing is perfect, but good to see people finding ways around the potential problem of future food shortages, which will be a huge problem if no one does anything about it.
It does seem a bit too dystopian sci-fi for my comfort, though I think it's a good thing. Cognitive dissonance setting in in 3, 2, 1... 🤯

Won't jump up on a soap box and preach . but in a raw nut shell this has been coming for decades they have just brushed it off that we were solve and fix it when we need to instead of addressing it ahead, solar or fuel cells for power, more efficient lights to grow, renewable energy to grow with and a system with less pollution the technology has been out there in various forms and use since the 1950 and heavy in study in the 60's and 70's . i still grow in the ground but i grow far more in a smaller more compact

To start with the population has been growing at a rate that surpassed the ability of farms to keep up and maintain supply for a long time now, and even without any change in climate at growth rate of population versus sustainable crops to support that population are out of proportion. The figures have been know for decades that earth population versus crops production and arable land is coming to an extreme change in how it is handled.
We have just hastened it even more, it has been show the earth goes through a cyclic climate change Mankind has just pushed it beyond its stable point faster and more advanced then the normal change would have been.

Managed and controlled crop growth is here to stay whether people like it or not pound per acre yields in indoor controlled growing and hydroponics produce far higher yields faster and with less impact on power usage per pound acre. Because of the fast turn around times on crops the speed and ability of hydroponics turn around has also helped advance other types of corps to find ones that can be grow to yield high and more nutritious crops in normal tillage. There is no waste of fertilizers in hydroponics or controlled indoor systems where as normal growth even the organic gardening still struggles to produce adequate yields without any supplemental addition of a fertilizer and a very very tiny percentage is actually used by the plants the rest runs off as pollution depending whos study you want to read and believe their hypothetical numer as much as 90+ % of the fertilizers could be running off as pollution. So less waste also mean less required production of fertilizers for the equal or high crop yield. Can we grow all crops indoors doubtfull but maybe do-able for intensive crops that use massive amounts of fertilizers, it would be more labor intensive.

i mentioned before in some post the low amount of power i use in real time watts an hour. indoor and controlled growing we can use selective LED spectrums in growing the use less power to grow. my system uses 217 watts an hour on 115volts ac which i give as a reference when stating power usage, If i swap to my solar being total off grid i have ( 4 ) 200 watt 48 volt arrays that were originally made to charge and run a gulf cart that i salvaged to charge normal deep cycle lead acid batteries that run a tiny power invertor for the timers that are the switches to turn the dc power on to the LED lights and the 12 dc pond pump i use for cycling the nutrient. but even if connect and use regular power the total power draw a day is miniscule versus the total power needed to per pound of produce and even if you farm normal you consume more fertilizers then does hydroponics because only a small percentage is actually used and taken up by the plant. Soon this process is may get even better because one university now has a small unit that can fix carbon and nitrogen on site to a usable ammonia at the plant direct use replacing some now produced commercially using Haber-bosch process and with zero transportation pollution and the scaled version is very compact and is being developed by group at Monash University , Melbourne
So changes are coming and some are here to stay already because at current population and population growth projects are by 2050 we will not have adequate arable land to sustain a enough tillable land to support the projected populace unless we utilize and maximize the usable surfaces of roofs or sides of some types of structures aka a living wall so to speak which also has an added advantage in that they can help keep a building cooler so also advantage of less power draw to cool with
 
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